I think - I mean, having only seen the first two episodes, it's more of - you know, we see these people, and we kind of know their characters. From the women that we've seen so far in "The Rings Of Power," is that the case? Back in 1969, she described the women of Tolkien's world as either beautiful and distant, simply distant or simply simple.
And you cited the scholar Catharine Stimpson. SUMMERS: As you pointed out in your piece, there is a sizable body of feminist critique of the world that Tolkien created and the way that he constructed the women of Middle Earth. But so far, it looks like women are, you know, at least part of the center of the story, which is cool. So we don't really know yet if this is going to adhere to Tolkien's kind of, like, you know, shunting of women, you know, to major side characters or, you know, making women the center of the story. They are, you know, super Tolkien nerds, which is cool.
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So I think part of the reason why, you know, I've been a little skeptical of the series is because, you know, there are two male co-showrunners who really don't have much professional screenwriting experience. Whenever I see, you know, a female character in a fantasy, it's like, OK, is she going to be a stereotype? Is she going to be oversexualized? Is she going to be murdered? Is she just going to be degraded at any possible opportunity? Yeah. For you, what was it like revisiting this world for the first time through Galadriel's eyes? It's hard to say which way is up and which way is down. I mean, the first person that viewers meet is a young Galadriel.ĪMELIE CHILD VILLIERS: (As Young Galadriel) Sometimes the lights shine just as brightly reflected in the water as they do in the sky. SUMMERS: So given all of that, I guess I'm just curious what it was like for you to see the opening sequence of "The Rings Of Power" and to see Middle Earth through the eyes of a woman. And just watching it back brings so much joy and nostalgia and comfort.
JENNINGS: Like, this was our fantasy series that we grew up with that we really related to that just, like, played such a pivotal role in our development. There was a really good New York Times piece a year ago written by, actually, my friend Nikita Richardson about how, for so many millennial women, "Lord Of The Rings" was like our "Star Wars," you know? SUMMERS: What do you think is interesting about that? I love talking about it with my friends, and they're almost all women that I talk about "Lord Of The Rings" with, which I think is very interesting. I was fascinated with the construction of language, and I think that's probably something you and I have in common. I watched the movies more times than I should probably admit to. I was a huge "Lord Of The Rings" fan growing up. And I - my main concern was, like, how much is this new version of "The Lord Of The Rings" going to incorporate a lot of what makes "Game Of Thrones" "Game Of Thrones," namely its gratuitous gore and sex scenes? And I'm happy to say that it does not. And I was always a little bit concerned that - like, OK, well, in the past two decades since the original "Lord Of The Rings" came out, there's been "Game Of Thrones," which has kind of taken up the mantle as, like, the high fantasy mainstream example that we have. We've known that this has been in production for at least five years. I, like you, was sort of nervous when it was coming out. Rebecca, there is so much to talk about here, but I just want to ask you first, what have you thought of the show so far? And I just want to note for our listeners that this conversation may include a few light spoilers for the first few episodes. REBECCA JENNINGS: Thank you so much for having me. SUMMERS: We're joined now by Rebecca Jennings, who has been writing about the "Rings Of Power" for Vox. To the ends of the Earth, we hunted Sauron. MORFYDD CLARK: (As Galadriel) And so we hunted.
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(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER") The series kicks off from a different perspective. The first few episodes of "Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power" are out now on Prime Video. So some of us who have been waiting for the new "Lord Of The Rings" prequel have been excited but also a little nervous. And many fans have grown accustomed to seeing women as secondary characters - debased, assaulted or effectively treated like wallpaper. It is a big moment for fans of high fantasy with several high-profile TV series out now.